PAULINE HUYNH

From the middle school diaries that started it all

ALL THINGS EDUCATION

Pending one last detail, I’m B’more bound!

So things have been interesting since that phone call on Tuesday.

After submitting my financial aid documents on Tuesday, College Board took some time to process it before sending the information to Hopkins. I was able to receive my financial aid package on Thursday and…wow.

It’s incredibly generous–just enough to be cheaper than Pritzker, which is amazing. My only concern was that Hopkins, having a need-only policy, would wittle aid down over the years and replace more of it with loans (especially since various factors lead to me thinking that my EFC will increase over the next few years). I scheduled an appointment with a financial aid officer to express my concerns. At this point, I was pretty much settled on Hopkins.

Then Pritzker called, and I began to feel torn all over again.

The phone reminded me of what I would be leaving behind. As someone who’s dreamed of Hopkins Med since…forever, I find it so mentally difficult to say no. The clinical, research, public health, and community health opportunities are unmatched. At the same time, I found so much love and support at Pritzker (both on interview day and SLW) that I found it emotionally difficult to leave them. With Pritzker, I knew what I was getting. I clicked with the community. I started apartment hunting.

So I asked for help. I talked to students, to current applicants, to those unaffiliated with either institution. And I realized that:

  • I should not attend a school because I feel guilt-tripped to attend. I should attend it if I love it above all of my options
  • Between the two, Hopkins has strong research opportunities, a shorter preclinical curriculum (which I prefer), a stronger clinical curriculum, and is an absolute powerhouse for public and global health.
  • Community and camaraderie is amazing at Pritzker, but I am biased. I attended both Interview Day and Second Look there. At Hopkins, I was only able to visit when I interviewed–and Hopkins, unlike Pritzker, did  not actively try to impress applicants. That said, a student who was able to attend both SLWs says that the community is equally strong among both.
  • If I choose Pritzker over Hopkins, I would be sticking to Pritzker. I would not able to justify attending UCSF over Pritzker, even if I were to be pulled off its waitlist.
  • The biggest struggle applicants deal with in deciding between Pritzker and Hopkins is price. (UChicago has a lot of money to throw around and recruit students.) I am amazing lucky in that with Hopkins’ generous financial aid, the difference in price tag is less than $10K over four years, which is negligible. As someone interested in academia, the doors the Hopkins name can open more than justifies the price differential.

Overall, I think my decision is set. I just need to double check that the outside scholarship I won would transfer to Hopkins. I also need to figure out how to inform Pritzker. It will be a very sad (and guilt-ridden) phone call, for sure.

 

De-waitlisted at Hopkins?!

Received a call from Ms. Mazza while driving my mom to work this morning! askjf;alsjf;al Just…what….life does not feel real right now. Out of all the schools where I’m waitlisted, I did not expected Hopkins to give me a call. (Frankly, I thought the slim chance of an acceptance would arrive via email!) I had already started coming up with a list of apartment buildings to call tomorrow. I have one week to make a decision between Hopkins and Pritzker, but I’m…torn.

I hope financial aid works out. It’s mentally very difficult to turn down Hopkins, but Pritzker has treated me so well, and I can definitely see myself there. At the same time, the opportunities at Hopkins Med….

Per AAMC Decision Day rules, I have chosen

the University of Chicago Pritzker School of Medicine!

That said, it was a painful decision –not because I don’t like Pritzker, because I have fangirled about it for…months–but because I also love Duke and Columbia.

I would have loved to attend Duke. Their 1-year preclinical is just a dream, but financially it did not work out as well for me. Additionally, choosing Duke over Pritzker and P&S would essentially require me to bring my car, and I don’t want my parents to shell out another $30K for a replacement if they won’t have to. I was hoping for a merit award, but am not surprised that I didn’t receive one. Duke is an amazing institution, and this was not an easy decision, though I’m sure it was the right one for my situation.

As for Columbia…definitely the most difficult withdrawal I’ve had to make yet. I absolutely loved P&S: from its location in Washington Heights and the NYP Hospital, to the diverse patient population, focus on healthcare disparities, and exposure to surgical fields…It was always, and still is, a dream institution for me. To know that I’m pulling away because of financial reasons–even if it makes total sense–pains me. I tried waiting it out, hoping to hear of merit awards as the scholarship committee continues to meet. Unfortunately, there was too much uncertainty, as the committee does not have a “deadline” to inform students (it could be today, but it could also be awarded the day before orientation). Although this is probably the best decision, it was a terribly difficult one.

With that all said, I’m beyond excited at the prospect of moving to Chicago. Pritzker has been extremely supportive throughout this entire application cycle, and I have received so much love from it. It was my first interview invite, first interview attended, and first acceptance (that magical October 15th phone call). It sent me my scrub top in December with a handwritten note from a current student, updated me with frequent emails showcasing how much fun their students were having, and showered me (and all admitted students) with love during the Second Look Weekend. And to top it all, it provided such a generous offer that proved (thus far!) impossible to turn down. I honestly cannot be happier with my decision.

Decisions, decisions.

With my cycle “officially” over (i.e., assuming no further correspondence from the schools who waitlisted me), it’s time to figure out where I’m heading for the next 4 years!

Allow me to first say that I feel incredibly fortunate to in my current position. Medical school admissions can be such a crapshoot process, and I had very little expectations regarding how my cycle would pan out. I delved in knowing that my greatest strengths were my numbers and my greatest weaknesses being my difficulty initiating and maintaining conversation. I knew while my application may be competitive on paper (MD Apps here), my weaker interpersonal skills would limit me once I reach the interview stage.

Still, my cycle ended up being so much more successful than I expected. It has been just…surreal.

And now it’s time to decide, and I still can’t believe my options: Pritzker, Columbia, and Duke.

I know this is a situation where I simply cannot go wrong. All three are fantastic institutions, and I know I would be incredibly happy wherever I go. That said, there are some things that I like about each institution, so I’m going to jot down my thoughts. Pros vs Cons lists help (I think)

University of Chicago Pritzker School of Medicine
4 year cost: $165K
PROS

  • $200K merit scholarship. As someone whose parental income fluctuates heavily, having a merit-based scholarship does wonders in helping me estimating my total costs and how much I’ll owe over 4 years.
  • Hyde Park’s low cost of living and proximity to Downtown Chicago.
  • The level of support and warmth that radiates among administration, faculty, and students
  • “Teachers of teachers” mentality and mentorship
  • Emphasis on interdisciplinary studies, including access to other courses in the UChicago system
  • Focus on underserved communities and healthcare disparities
  • Scholarship & Discovery, with its mentorship opportunities and exploration of the different tracks
  • No car necessary until at least third year, if at all.
  • The food scene.
  • The warm fuzzies and excitement I felt on Interview Day and Revisit.

CONS

  • 2 year preclinical; I would prefer something shorter to have more time to explore various (competitive) specialties
  • Chicago winters
  • Of the three, Pritzker has the weakest clinical curriculum. There’s no VA or Level 1 trauma center, and the longer (traditional) preclinical means that there is less time for clinical elections and exposure.

Columbia University College of Physicians & Surgeons
4 year cost: $192K, assuming aid doesn’t fluctuate
*I contacted Columbia regarding my aid at Pritzker, and was told that they would forward it to the scholarship committee, with no guarantee of anything.
PROS

  • 1.5 year preclinical, thus leaving more time to strengthen/tailor my application towards my field of interest (whatever it happens to be after rotations)
  • Strength of clinical years? Out of the three schools, only P&S students Raved about their role as MS3s and clinical skills
  • Most thorough exposure to the surgical subspecialties, as detailed in the curriculum. As someone who has never shadowed a surgeon, I cannot say if I’m super interested in the field. However if I happen to be, P&S has a strong history of matching its students into surgery is a definite plus.
  • NYC!
  • No car necessary (or encouraged, for that matter)
  • The connections available and associated with Columbia’s name and brand. (Inbreeding happens.)
  • The diversity of the patient population.
  • The food scene.

CONS

  • The cost of living. Even in Washington Heights, living expenses are considerably higher than Hyde Park or Durham
  • New York winters
  • Insecurity associated with need-based aid and my parents’ fluctuating (and thus, unpredictable) income.

Duke University School of Medicine
4 year cost: $189K, assuming that aid does not fluctuate
*I contacted Duke regarding my aid at Pritzker, and was told that they would not match the offer
PROS

  • 1 year preclinical to make room for “Year FREEEE” to conduct research or pursue a dual degree. With residency admissions being as competitive as they are, the built in year of research is really appealing
  • Durham’s low cost of living
  • Durham’s mild climate, in comparison to Chicago and New York
  • The warm fuzzies and excitement I felt on Interview Day
  • Having a top hospital system in the South while also being the local hospital for the underserved

CONS

  • Compared to Chicago and NYC, Durham is boring. It’s not necessarily a bad thing, but is worth noting. On the upside, this “easy living” town would really force me to make the best of all the opportunities available at Duke, and I can appreciate that.
  • Insecurity associated with need-based aid and my parents’ fluctuating (and thus, unpredictable) income.
  • I will need to bring my car
  • The food scene is (relatively) limited

School Impressions: Duke University School of Medicine

Goodness, I haven’t written one of these in a while. To be honest, DukeMed really surprised me, and I was surprised to be receive an interview at all. Its secondary application was by far one of the most intensive, and Duke is very proud of that. “We really want to know that we’re meeting the right type of students,” Dean Armstrong said on Interview Day. While the essays were challenging to write, I really appreciated the rationale behind them. I did feel that Duke wanted to hear about my life experiences and values, and I was beyond excited to receive an interview invitation from them!

I arrived at RDU airport at 5:30pm and took an Uber to my host’s place. Apparently, I chose the worst time of day to travel because traffic was packed–and it showed in my Uber fare. Once my host helped me settle in, she drove us to The Parlour, an ice cream shop where DukeMed students organized a social for all the interviewees. Even though it was finals week, the DukeMed students were all really relaxed and friendly, answering all of our questions and providing candid opinions on their med school experience.

One of the major things they addressed, of course, was Durham. “Let’s get one thing straight: no one goes to Duke to live in Durham. Students choose UCSF to live in SF. Students choose schools in New York or Boston because they want to live there. Students who choose Duke do so because they love Duke.” For whatever reason, this statement really struck me, and I think it was something important to focus on. Indeed, compared to San Francisco, New York, and Boston, Durham is not nearly as exciting. A small Southern town, it has enough for people to do and is described as “easy living,” but it doesn’t offer anything truly spectacular. Some would argue that it is Duke holding it together. To me, Durham is really similar to a lot of smaller suburbs: safe and clean, but not exciting. It provides a quiet comfort that would urge me to make the best of all the opportunities available at DukeMed, and I think I appreciate that.

In addition to its location, the medical students also spoke earnestly about Duke’s curriculum. For decades, DukeMed has pioneered a 1-year P/F preclinical curriculum (without any internal rankings), followed by 1 year of rotations. It is this set up that inspired Vanderbilt and Harvard’s models. Year 3, or “Year FREEEEEEEEE” as the students like to say, is formally called the Scholarly Concentration Year, in which students spend 12 months doing research or pursue a dual degree. DukeMed truly prides itself on this model, as it allows the students to customize their medical educaiton and maximize their residency application. While students across the nation are doing their rotations as MS3s and figuring out what specialties they want to go into, students at DukeMed have already finished their clerkships and can use the 3rd year to conduct relevant research on their specialty of interest. This is especially important if one wants to go into competitive specialties. Personally, I find this really exciting, and I really appreciate that Duke students can do their 3rd year anywhere–at Duke, at another institution, or even another country! In year 4, students go back to Duke to finish the clinical electives, but again, these are geared towards one’s specialty of interest. It’s amazing!

Interview Day itself began with a nice breakfast: bagels, pastries, fruit, and coffee. There were 20 interviewees in total, which are split into 2 groups of 10 for the MMI stations. I was in the afternoon group; while I was a bit bummed about this since I hoped to get the MMI out of the way. Dean Armstrong came in at 8:30am and provided us with an introduction of DukeMed’s history, its values in the admissions process, and the purpose of the MMI. Honestly, she is definitely one of the most inspiring educational leaders I’ve had to the honor of listening to on the interview trail. She holds such strong values and expectations of the students at Duke that half the time I sat there thinking, “So how am I sitting here?!”

Following Dear Armstrong’s pep talk was a financial presentation. Nothing too different here: Duke looks at the demonstrated need, then provides 60% of that need in grants. What did surprise me was that Duke’s merit scholarships take place of loans; a student could therefore attend DukeMed debt free. Of course, I’m shamelessly hoping for it, but I try not to think about it until I hear good news in March.

After the financial aid presentation, a member of the adcom escorted the morning interviewees to the MMI stations while an MS1 came to talk about Duke’s growing emphasis on Team Based Learning (TBL), which is a hybrid of a flipped classroom model and case based learning. We did a short (and corny) activity demonstrating this before going on a tour of Duke’s facilities. Honestly, thoughout the entire tour, I grew really starry-eyed at everything. I truly could imagine myself being there, and it makes me that much more excited and nervous about decisions.

Following the tour, we all gathered together for lunch with current students. An MS3 came in particular to talk about his 3rd year experience–and honestly, he became in instant legend among us interviewees. Getting involved in neurosurgery and global health research since Year 1, garnering over $150,000 in project grants, matching in NeuroSurg…SO INSPIRATIONAL. I can only hope to be as resourceful as him!

And finally, it was time for the afternoon group to interview. Although I had hoped to be part of the morning group, I ended up being glad that I wasn’t. After learning about how amazing DukeMed is and how happy the students are, I feel much more relaxed and optimistic about the MMI. I think I was also less stressed since I have an acceptance in hand. Furthermore, I found Duke’s MMI stations to be a lot more fun than UCSD’s! It really did feel, as an MS1 described it, liked I was on a gameshow. While I do feel that I could’ve done better on a few stations, I’m not going to let myself overthink things.

Overall, I am very happy and impressed by DukeMed. I loved all that it had to offer, and truly hope for some good news in March. I guess we can only see!

School Impressions: Washington University St Louis School of Medicine

Ah, WashU. Everytime I tell my family and friends that I’m interviewing there, I get asked where in Washington it is. (It’s funnier because I actually spent a few years in Washington, and seriously considered applying to UW until I saw the out of region restriction.) To be honest, while I did enjoy my experience in St Louis, I wasn’t exactly “wow’d” by it. I think it was partly due to my anxiety over 10/15 (pleaselovemePritzkerpleasepleaseplease), and partly due to the fact that only the first year of preclinicals is P/F. (Also, I think I was getting burned out from interviewing, which is not a problem I thought I’d have.)

Located in St Louis, Missouri, WUSM prides itself in being a research powerhouse in a growing city. The cost of living is really low (easily $400-500/month with utilities), and there are always free things to do. Moreover, the hospital system attracts both “bread and butter” as well as “zebra” cases, allowing students to expose themselves to a wide range of medical problems. After arriving at the airport, I took the MetroRail to campus, and was amused to learn that the metro system in St Louis is essentially a straight line. And I thought public transport in LA was bad, haha! On the other hand, one of the stops is directly in front of the medical complex, which is super convenient.

I stayed the night in Olin Hall, the dormitory-styled university housing. It was really nice for WUSM to providing lodging for applicants, and the university trieds to keep 10 rooms vacant every year for the interview cycle. That said, once I stepped foot into Olin Hall, I…kinda understood why. While the rooms in Olin didn’t necessarily lack anything, they definitely are a bit worn (current students joked that they are a step down from undergrad) and don’t provide the nicest amenities. A little over half of the freshman class stay in Olin due to its convenience (it is connected to all the other buildings on campus, so one never has to step outside), but most move out starting their second semester. With St Louis’s low cost of living, I’m not surprised. Regardless, I enjoyed my stay, and appreciated the pizza party that the MS1s hosted the night before! They were super nice and stayed to talk to us about things, even though we arrived in the middle of their exam week (whoops).

While talking with the students, I was a bit surprised (and bummed) to hear that WUSM’s preclinicals curriculum is only P/F during the first year, before it changes to the H/HP/P/F system. All the students and faculty were adamant that there’s not change in “culture” from M1 to M2 and that everyone remains collaborative, but I don’t know…I wouldn’t reject WUSM for this reason, as the research and clinical opportuniteis here are incredible, but it is something that would make me reconsider.

I do have to say though: WUSM provides amazing food. Breakfast included hot items (for once!), yogurt, coffee, and juice. I was a full and happy camper by the time we all trekked down to the admissions office. We all received our schedules for the day and had our pictures taken (I’m really curious as to why hahaha) before gathering in the conference room. There, Dean Rattz gave a quick presentation on WUSM, its curriculum, and life in St Louis. It wasn’t very comprehensive, but it did give me enough pointers to research further if I’m lucky enough to receive an acceptance here.

WUSM conducts one open-file interview with a member of the admissions committee. Over the past few years, however, the committee seems to have been experimenting with the closed file interview. Out of our group of 10, only one student was scheduled to do an open-file as well as a shorter closed-file interview. My interview was…to be honest, a bit awkward. It was not nearly as conversational as the ones at other schools, unfortunately, so I don’t know how I did. My interviewer only asked me a question or two about my activities, yet didn’t really give me time to elaborate on them; it honestly felt as though he had already formed an opinion from my application and didn’t really care to get to know me. -__________- Considering how WUSM’s merit scholarships are heavily influenced by the interview experiences, I don’t think I’ll get much luck here ughhhhhhhhhhh. We did spend some time talking about his medical experiences and the social climate of St Louis, and he took me on a short tour, so I hope his pre-formed opinion of me was a positive one? Fingers crossed!

I had about an hour to explore after my interview, and a couple applicants and I sat in on a lecture. WUSM’s curriculum features a mix of traditional lectures and PBL, which I enjoy. The lecture was actually pretty interesting, as it guided students through the steps of “diagnosing” a particular set of diseases. Soon, it was time to lunch with MS3s, MS4s, and clinical faculty. None of the individuals involved are on the admissions committee, so it’s really nice to hear honest opinions! None of the students seemed to mind the transition to H/HP/P/F during MS2, and they actually find that they enjoy it more because everything is clinically based. The MS4s took us on a tour of campus, and all the facilities are beautiful. *swoons* Not Mayo caliber, but definitely very pleasing to the eye. We At the end of the day, we received a brief financial aid session followed by a wrap up (with cookies!) with Dean Rattz.

Overall, I enjoyed my day at WUSM. I wasn’t in love with it, but I can definitely see myself learning there. The opportunities and support are top-notch, and I think there are a lot of things to do in St Louis. Decisions are rolling starting in late November, so we’ll see!

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